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Pepper Suggestion: Historic data

If you take a peek in this thread (that Shaun closed for some reason), you’ll see that Mint destroys most data after either 25mb or five weeks for performance reasons. This is totally understandable.

However, could a Pepper not be written that keeps this old data, but only as static references? So for example, rows older than five weeks could be added to a static HTML version of the old stats (ie: just the stripes), then be included onto the bottom of the normal dynamic stats; this static HTML list could potentially be cut into separate files to further good performance. This data could then be cycled through with a little button at the bottom of each pane, as I suggested in the thread above.

When it comes to statistics, having historical data is an absolute necessity in my opinion and I was really surprised when I found out that Mint doesn’t offer it beyond monthly figures; the “It’s a fresh look!” line still doesn’t wash with me. If free stats solutions that’re out there can manage it, why can’t the premium rate Mint?

Just brainstorming, anyway. I am by no means a programmer so if what I’ve suggested above is infeasible then shoot me, but it seems like it could work with some loving to me. :D

Shaun Inman
Mint/Pepper Developer
Posted on Feb 05, '07 at 11:29 am

Sorry, an errant click closed that thread.

No problem. I guess it’s something that might be better suited to a Pepper anyway as not everyone wants to have oodles of old statistics to refer to. That’s if anyone can/wants to develop it, anyway. :E

Till
Third-Party Pepper Developer
Posted on Feb 06, '07 at 02:36 am

Ryan, great Idea but too much work.

The Pepper Authors and Shaun should store most of the data in the cfg array. That would solve the problem half-way.

rrr
Minted
Posted on Feb 21, '09 at 12:07 pm

I’ve been using Mint for over a year, and I never knew until now, when I went to run some analysis on historical data (because our traffic is now growing quickly), that Mint destroys it. Doesn’t that seem like a big deal? A fresh look is only fresh if you have something older to compare it to.

Till
Third-Party Pepper Developer
Posted on Feb 23, '09 at 09:05 am

I changed my mind about that two years later. I won’t write any Pepper until a new version of Mint is out, but this Pepper isn’t that hard to write. It just has to store the total amounts of each Pepper and provide a good view of it. The problem is this Pepper is totally not Minty.

noirnet
Minted
Posted on Feb 23, '09 at 01:50 pm

Actually, I think I have to agree with both sides of this post:

  • Mint rocks for fresh stats on site visits. I especially love the iPhone Pepper. ;-) At some point, who cares about yesterday? Or last week, month, year, etc…

  • BUT, historical data rocks for revisiting just what worked and what didn’t, plus allowing us to see big picture trends in visitors’ behaviors, and more importantly being able to correlate site advertising/PR to actual clicks.

My clients want both of these things. I want both of these things. Mint already does the first beautifully. Now we just need a way to revisit historical data.

I’m not a developer, but wouldn’t there be a way to just .gzip/tar the data that’s about to go stale, keep it in an archive, and know that we can visit it later? Just provide one switch in Mint to “load historical data from_to_” would make sense to me.

Till
Third-Party Pepper Developer
Posted on Feb 23, '09 at 02:43 pm

Yeah, thats nearly how I would write it, but that requires code changes on Mint and has nothing to do with a Pepper.

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